MTP's stupid question(s) thread

[Mad Tea Party]

EFZ

1. Is there a point to whiffing attacks in the middle of combos when the opponent is in the air?

For example: Start a juggle (a la dust loop) with Kaori's B attacks. Jump B, air dash, B, then whiff a C on the way down even though your opponent is up out of range.

Is there a point to doing that? I don't notice any notable change in delay upon landing when I try it with and without the C attack. It's not like you have to cancel something to continue the combo like in her tornado loops, either. I have 2 suspicions: gain meter and/or look cool.

2. After RGing a hit, can you counter with an attack that comes out faster than your opponent's next attack and win? Can they RG your counter if their attack hasn't come out yet (but has still started)?

3. I'm stupid; do certain attacks have higher/lower priorities? Say they come out at the same speed and are pretty much exact in frame data or whatever, will one win over the other (because the designers decided they wanted some characters to suck)?

4. OTGs don't exist do they? Perhaps you can juggle the character after they've bounced and become airborne again for a short time, but not on the ground? An example would be Mai's throw or slide teleport attack.

5. Are jumps instant? Say a person is holding up, you can't throw them if you just stay on the ground, can you? It's possible to do a ground combo if you time it right so is the same true for throws?

6. What will affect the juggle meter besides the guard meter? Does how much life you have change anything? I haven't noticed any difference, but when I try to do combos in Vs that I practice in training, they don't seem to keep the meter up as long as they should.

7. LK's said it several times, but I haven't played the game long enough (started at Epic#R... with 3.10) so I don't really understand the difference between old characters and BME ones. Can anyone clarify? All I know is that BME characters fall faster.

S'all for now and thanks in advance.

[Raven]

1) i dont think there is a point of whiffing
2) yes you can counter after you RG with a faster move, but they can also RG your counter if they time it right, but the timing is very tough
3) probably best look at taht frame data page, i do think some move have better priories than other due to hit frame/range, like sayuri 2b usually beat mai's 2b, but mai's 2b is longer than sayuri's 2b so if i have the range right i can still hit her
4) I dont think you can hit someone on the ground in EFZ
5) I dont know if they are instant or not
6) more hit in 1 combo also effect your juggle meter i think.
7) I dont know how much BME character fall faster, i really dont think they do cuz all my combo works on them, but obviously LK's combo dont work on them. So i dont know the answer for that

[linalys]

admin said:

6) more hit in 1 combo also effect your juggle meter i think.

Yeah I can confirm this. Usually Nanase Uppercut -> IC -> ABC works. But if I do BB -> Uppercut -> IC -> ABC the C misses.

2) You cannot RG while attacking. So if you RG'ed something and stuck something fast out, and they stuck out something slow, they cannot RG your attack.

4) There is no general OTG attacks, but some specific moves bounce (or something) the opponent and allow OTG attacks afterwards. Misaki's air super does this, Ikumi's overhead, Mai's throw, and Makoto's 66C.

[VManOfMana]

1. As Rai said, I don't think there is a practical use.

2. Yes, most of the case your counter will beat your opponent's next attack unless your opponent did A into A or cancelled into something with invincibility. Recoil Guard can cancel the recovery of an attack that a. hits b. is blocked c. is RGed, but cannot cancel an attacks a. that whiffed b. on startup. Once you cancel your RGed attack with another one, RG is gone.

3. Dunno, but hitboxes may have something to do. Mayu's 2A and 2C seems to have a lot of priority because other character's attacks will simply whiff by hitting above her (she goes that low)

4. You cannot OTG at all times. I am not completely sure of the deails, but it seems to me that you can only hit during the "THUD" animation (Misaki Air Burst followup) and a small period of time after that (Mai's grab > IC > OTG).

5. I don't know. They are pretty fast, but there is a small window where you are completely open after jumping, so you can't just jump away and be safe all the time.

6. Amount of hits and strength of attack will affect the juggle meter. Some combos are very strict on the sense that they won't work if you add an extra A somewhere or do a B instead of an A somwhere else. Stuff like that. Also, the timing of the hits can change things, since how your opponent will be juggled (direction, speed) depends on a combination of current juggle momentum and your next attack's pushback. So its very possible to miss combos because you are sending your opponent too high.

7. For what I see Ayu falls very fast, and I really doubt someone like Doppel or Mishio falls faster than her (this is just me, though). Could be a hit box thing though. IMO Sayuri can really mess up your combos because of her falling hit boxes.

[clearsky]

I hate how ground attacks effect the gravitional pull of a juggle before you even start a juggle.

[Leviathean]

There exist priorities for certain moves. For example, Mizuka's pillow super will win against a lot of things that are similar in nature, such as Mayu's Multiple Punch super (amusingly, pillow lvl 1 and multipunch lvl 1 simply cancel each other out) and Sayuri's press. I haven't done much research into it, though.